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Today is a special episode

And we are connecting with our friend simon right now in new zealand

Hi Simon

Yeah Fine

Fine and dealing with the second search in beijing

Hopefully not gona be too bad

I've heard situation in new zealand is really good

Right now

So you're no longer in lock down

Everything's back to normal uh

Yes i think officially we're in level one

Locked down level one because was one or two restrictions

We can't you know go ground

Kissing strangers for example

Um

But

But there were less ver

Everything is better to normal

Yeah um good

So i thought it would be a great opportunity for us to talk about your experience in new zealand under locck down

But when did you announced a lock down

When did it officially start was it in mark fabor ii think was the end of february or early march

So we first

We first in new zealand

Uh heard about the

Heard about the virus around late january

Um i think was around the twenty

The twenty

Twenty seven of january

It was reported that was a group of new zealandanders uh that were living in guuhaa

And then been um i think they're gone into quaranting in wuhan and the new zaland government wanted up to bring them home uh and then

And then i'm pretty short was early much that we went into

Into lock down

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You just mentioned locck down levels

So the maximum level was that you experience was level for right debt script lelevel for as you go out unless less 're in a central work

Other than for what a short local walk

So people were allowed to go outside

And do ce exercisse in their garden or on their street

As long as they weren't coming into contact with anyone else

So what about going to supermarket

Going grocery shopping

Yep

So people over seventy years old were told to get uh young people to do the shopping for them supermarkets were open

Well

There was some some very heavy requirement

So only certain supermarkets could stay open

But the ones that were allowed to they

They had restrictions on how many people could enter the supermarket at one time i see

So there were long very very long cues yeah

And everyone had to stand two meks aapart in those tooes

That's exactly what we went through during the locck down period

But what was the first reaction

How did you feel when the lockdown was announced

对

Well well for me personally unself emplayed

So i was quite happy to

To stay at home

Not have to go to meetings

My

My work carried on as normal and insteset of driving around the country meeting clans

Uh uusing zoom ype or other video uh meeting software

So you were okay

Did other people freak out

Yes Yeah

So new zealand people we're pretty

Um we get excited quite easily so

So i think it's a nice way to put it

Yeah

We collectively we went into panic station

So we um

When it was announced

That we're going to level for everyone to went the supermarket

To send it in the supermarkets

Um ah sort of came the conclusion that was the end of the world

That was an apocalypse

Um Wow

Yeah

We

We were not called

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And the basase stocking up on what food or wallet paper

Yeah

So there was a little little stocking up of toil paper um

There was a lot of stocking up on hand senotizzand um antibacterial wipes um say ying there quite a few supermarkets um in first vehicle sum of locked down ran out of food

But the reality is i mean new zealand producers food

We export huge amounts of food

So people are not overreally worried about food

I don't think

So i don't think it asn't legitimate worries i think

I think some people like the excuse to panic

You know they

They went and bght as much as they possibly

Could i was going to say toilet paper

What is the fascination with toilet paper

Because in china that's really not one of our concerns

But it seems like many countries around the world are stocking up on toilet paper

Yeah ii personally don't get it either um

But you know having

Having gone and kepin the bush

Having to use leaves

But you got to the toilet um

It's not doisn't so

But so certainly

Toilet paper is important

But it's quite funny

You mentioned it um

I have a friend in new zealand is a website developies 's got very very twisted sense huhumor

So he got red on the lock down

And decided to set up a website selling toilet paper by the role

And i was a joke

So it was

It was a joke

He wasn't doing it seriously

And so he put

He puts some stupid prices on it like three dollars

Five dollars

I had been before a per role of toilet paper um plus curian fees

And he

He had only these people from australia

Don't not even new zealand from another country buying toilet paper on his website by the role

And having been couried to australia so left to say one goof toilet papers about three dollars

Which chons i don't know it maybe fifty rmb

But then of course there apanin another one hundred and fifty rmb for the curiofee

Yeah

That just sounds like total panic there but speaking of panic apart from these daily necessities

That or people were panic buying

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Were they struggling or facing any other challenges for example financial difficulties

Um because businesses obviously had to close down many of them

Yeah Yep

So during during the lock down

The government was quite generous

They provided funding to businesses to pay staff that gorethe poonments

They've got it a government loan system

Which is aa no interest lothat goes to the ance of finsure

Them over for the next

The next pple of months

Wow

There's a whole lot of financial support for businesses to um

What about individuals

Indivividuals

Yeah

So i'i've been in new zealand

We've got a quite generous ununemployment benefit system

So if you don't have a job

You don't have an income

You can apply to to the government and the government each week pay money

And have been it's not a luxury lifestyle

You're not going to um

It's not like you're certainly rich

You're definitely not

But it's

It's certainly aa superior system to many other countries

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So it's enough to get by yeet

Let me put one person considers getting by

Compared to what another person considers getting by as quite different

But you can uh it can pair your rent

Compile your food

Can um they pay electricity

Bbls ls

Know know basbasstuff

But you're not gonnbe be go out out to five star restaurant every night um

But don't people have savings during times like this

And they dig into their savings for a many day you know

嗯 No no Um

We are really bad and new zealand for saving money um

If we've got money

We will spend it

So there was a government report that came out

It suggested that people only had enough savings to last them for two weeks

So without an income

Wow

They would run out of money within two weeks

Which is

Which is quite scary

Really yeah

I started understand why people panicked because without you know

Without the ongoing income

They're going to run out out money

Very very very quickly

So that park was funded by the government

That still doesn't help with the obviously the sudden change in lifestyle

I know around the world certainly in china

I'have seen people have been doing a lot of things to keep themselves busy and keep themselves saying during the locck down and what have been been doing in zeeand during the lock down period to keep themselves entertained ah well a lot of dancing um and filming themselves dancing um

So we've been bombarded by by videos of family dancers uh gohosh terrible um

Another thing

Another thing

Which um h which is quite popular all over the country

People who put teddy bears

Teddy bears in the windows of their houses um and so kids okay

Kids when they are walking around outside

Going for their daily exercise

They can go encount where the bears out and send and put up online

Where they saw bear so so it ququcute like a bear hunt

They like a bear hunt

Yeah Yeah

Teddy bear hunt

Corite Yes

I know that

I know that

Um

Cercersusupermarkets

They're so that of condso so ad ad that what what you well obviouly people have been keeping busy well

We can probably maybe be a spiken in

In kids in the next months

So yeah

Yeah

Not if you use condomned no

Yeah

It's too say yes alright

But what have you been doing

Personally have you been working

Yeah

So um i

Because i'm

I'm so plelaant

Ui'm not able to work from whatever have i've

I've been working quite a lot

Um i was so been gardening yeknow i said like an an perperyeet so ii grow a range of vegetables and fruit

Um in fact

Here we often eat what fruit which is nice

Here we satisfying you sounds very self reliant

I think that's why you coped very well with the locked down

Yeah

I been personally i inlisaid before before i lalapped joined the locked down

I like you're not having to see people

You sound

You sound like a hermit so a part from gardening

Apart from working

Did you also do exercise at a regular exercise

Did you let's say go for a walk

Every day doing things like that it's funny

Yeah

So john locked down because we grow allowed to go for what once today i actually did that's probably i got more exercise

John locked down than i do when

When it we're actually supposed to go outside

So pride to lock down ii would always be driving around the country

Going to tings ings

You know when you're living out of of hotels or

Or your car in some cases

It's

It's too easy to go to mcdonald's or birack junk yeah

Junk and

And yes

So purely by eating food

Vegetables

Every day not for my own garden

Yeah

Over over six weeks

Um i lost ten kg largely due to healthy eating

So that is you're locked down diet very lucky

Because a lot of people get super down during their locck down

And then they rested to eating ating a lot of sacks on healthy food and many people i know have gained weight during this period

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But you sound like you have thoroughly enjoyed

If not enjoyed at least made the most out of being uh underlock down

Did you experience any low moment

I'm did you ever have fefeeling of all when will this be over

When will like be back to normal

Yeah Yes

Yet

The low points came about when watching the tv or looking online

Unfortunately the new zealand media often takes its new stories from australia or from the us

And there's been a lot of mt china reporting in those countries

We do also get get in new zealand

Having lived in china for many years

You know i consider china and eventually beijing like my second hometown

I thought it was just so unfair

How the western media is

Is really thicstating uh attacking china 是

And it just seem so hhad the critical

That just seems so unnecessary this system so do not working

So they have to deflect and attect china ina maybe really annoyed i gave up watching tv after a week

I think especially during the locck down

Especially when whole world is facfacsuch an unprecedented ball

Unprecedented in our living memory

The pandemic people could use some positive energy

Could use some words of comfort

And all that instead of having to live through completely negative comments stay in and day out

I think that would depress anyone

And i certainly went through some really depressive episodes

We're just seeing no hope

I would say a lot of people are facing stress

During this very very unusual times

And many are struggling with certain level of mental health issues

Yeah

Absolutely we have seen that in new zealand unfortunately

There's been an increase in family violence

And there's been a slow but noticeable spicon in racism

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New zealand is is pretty good at reporting these types of things

These type of negative things so monitoring done

And seeing the increase so the government um our prime minister to centra dern

Every time she goes on dv

She's always pushing be kind

You know respect dollars be kind support you 's always your family

Your neighbors

And certainly the government has put a lot of effort into trying to support people with mental health issues

Yeah

It's nice to hear this kind

Kind

Be kind mind this message is out

This is such a tough time for many people

For many families

For many businesses

I think what we need to do is really

Really try to seek out the brighter sign of things

And then try to collabortively seek away to get out of this

And then something else which i've

I've noticed over the past few weeks

And we cannot have locked down several weeks ago

And just walking around the streets

I've been really impressed

And in that occasion

You hear racist comments

You know it could be anti china

Could be antty asia

Could be just

Just racism um

But i've noticed that people are less tolerant of it um

So i was king

King around other day

And someone made a passing comment

Racist comment

And the people around them

Turn to them and sit

Hey

Why did you say that

You know why you being racist st what

And

And i think actually that's covered

Think it's been absolutely terrible but the the message of the governments been sending out about support people be kind

I actually think it's making a difference

I think people are actually standing up

And when they see someone that's being discriminated against they're going in an end

Supporting them and helping them

And i find that is very positive

I really like that actually you've answer third my question

I was going to ask now things are getting back to normal have you noticed any changes in people's lives and behaviors

And you certainly gave us a hopeful note to end today's discussion too honest

I mean nobody could have really predicted this whole pandemic

But hopefully we're getting something out of this experience

Not just having you look back and think think having a terrible few month at least taking something positive out of it

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Thank you very much

Simon for connecting with us and in the future

While checking with you and then we

We can talk about new zealand and life in new zealand

A bit more thank you and i look forit

It just lately we'll see you next time bye talk y day day bye

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